I see how the tech changes the perceived value of various skills (e.g. painting), but it seems to me that the underlying mechanics of art and creativity are left fundamentally unchanged regardless of technological innovation. Choosing where to direct the tools, what questions we use them to ask and reflect on, seems like the next step--the struggle in accepting their existence is transitory.
Thanks for your thoughts, but I disagree a bit. I don't think tech changes the value of painting which is done by hand in the physical world, but it does change the value of other tech skills which now can be done by computer.
I'm not sure what you do for work, but I guess I wonder how you would feel about that POV being applied to your current source of income? When is it worth it to put up a fight?
I appreciate the response, thanks for spending the time.
That last one seems like a difficult and very personal question. I personally don't have the energy to fight, so I've been searching for ways to adapt to the changing landscape while I also find words to help open up that kind of adaptation for others, provided I can even find it. So if I want to make writing (a part of my income), this means that I need to find ways of doing it that GPT4 can't do without me. More than that, I need a relationship with producing words such that no matter how good the language models get, my aesthetics continue to evolve towards producing things which are new and meaningful even in a GPT-10 world.
I'm very curious about how you feel about it though, and I'd like to ask while acknowledging that it seems like it's a sensitive topic and even putting forth a question may implicitly request emotional work (which I'd like to note upfront, and definitely don't feel entitled to). Do you feel like a fight is worth it? Or maybe a better question would be: how do you frame resistance as a useful stance in relation to technological developments? (Asking because I haven't found a way to, and I think that partly accounts for the lack of energy in framing it as a fight.)
I think if we had a stronger social safety net in America it would be less scary so maybe we are having the wrong conversation?
I do think the fight is worth it for the moment - like with the SAG and Writers' union strikes. They did a good job of preserving their creative worth at least for a decade or two.
It is hard to push back on what is becoming the status quo, and that's what these companies rely on that are taking artists work as the training material without paying them for it as with ChatGPT. But each person needs to do what's right for them. Not everyone has the call or the resources to engage in this type of activism. Again, if we were all had housing security and health insurance this would feel less urgent to me.
Ah, yeah, I really feel the point about the safety net. In lieu of working to change the larger climate around security I've been trying to build more local community with the hope that strong social ties produces more security to enact change. It's not a particularly fast or loud approach, though.
Thanks for the thoughts, I really enjoyed the dialogue and your mindful reframing around which conversation we were having.
I see how the tech changes the perceived value of various skills (e.g. painting), but it seems to me that the underlying mechanics of art and creativity are left fundamentally unchanged regardless of technological innovation. Choosing where to direct the tools, what questions we use them to ask and reflect on, seems like the next step--the struggle in accepting their existence is transitory.
Thanks for your thoughts, but I disagree a bit. I don't think tech changes the value of painting which is done by hand in the physical world, but it does change the value of other tech skills which now can be done by computer.
I'm not sure what you do for work, but I guess I wonder how you would feel about that POV being applied to your current source of income? When is it worth it to put up a fight?
I appreciate the response, thanks for spending the time.
That last one seems like a difficult and very personal question. I personally don't have the energy to fight, so I've been searching for ways to adapt to the changing landscape while I also find words to help open up that kind of adaptation for others, provided I can even find it. So if I want to make writing (a part of my income), this means that I need to find ways of doing it that GPT4 can't do without me. More than that, I need a relationship with producing words such that no matter how good the language models get, my aesthetics continue to evolve towards producing things which are new and meaningful even in a GPT-10 world.
I'm very curious about how you feel about it though, and I'd like to ask while acknowledging that it seems like it's a sensitive topic and even putting forth a question may implicitly request emotional work (which I'd like to note upfront, and definitely don't feel entitled to). Do you feel like a fight is worth it? Or maybe a better question would be: how do you frame resistance as a useful stance in relation to technological developments? (Asking because I haven't found a way to, and I think that partly accounts for the lack of energy in framing it as a fight.)
Appreciate your thoughts.
I think if we had a stronger social safety net in America it would be less scary so maybe we are having the wrong conversation?
I do think the fight is worth it for the moment - like with the SAG and Writers' union strikes. They did a good job of preserving their creative worth at least for a decade or two.
It is hard to push back on what is becoming the status quo, and that's what these companies rely on that are taking artists work as the training material without paying them for it as with ChatGPT. But each person needs to do what's right for them. Not everyone has the call or the resources to engage in this type of activism. Again, if we were all had housing security and health insurance this would feel less urgent to me.
Ah, yeah, I really feel the point about the safety net. In lieu of working to change the larger climate around security I've been trying to build more local community with the hope that strong social ties produces more security to enact change. It's not a particularly fast or loud approach, though.
Thanks for the thoughts, I really enjoyed the dialogue and your mindful reframing around which conversation we were having.
likewise! Thank you for chatting with me. It sounds like we are on a similar mission :)